2025 Wrapped: B2B & storytelling trends

Mikey Mioduski (00:05)
Molly, that's a wrap on 2025. Welcome back to Presentation Thinking, AKA the Storyteller Study Club. Molly Gagan, out on the West Coast. What's going on?

Molly Geoghegan (00:18)
Hello, presentation nation, and happy holidays wherever this finds you. We have arrived, Mikey, at the end of the year, another year, another podcast, year down. And I mean, everyone's already, this is a few weeks past Spotify's wrapped, so I'm sure everyone's already shared their top five artists, that kind of thing. But the creators do get it about a week and a half later.

Mikey Mioduski (00:29)
Yeah.

Ha

Uh-huh.

Molly Geoghegan (00:42)
So

we're, and I are sitting with our Spotify wrapped for creators and thank you for creating that Spotify. And we'd love to share what's going on with us at the podcast. And if you're like a, if you're a creator in the B2B space or if you're a

you know, product marketers, anyone that works in this presentation design world, you might be interested in what people are consuming and what hit for us this year and what was amiss and what's always surprising to us and what the gaps in our data and what chat GPT has to say about how good or how good we're, cause we've been making this podcast, Mikey, for four years. Do you know that? Yeah. 20.

Mikey Mioduski (01:24)
Is that right? Like this is, that was our fourth

full year? Yeah.

Molly Geoghegan (01:27)
Fourth full year, yep,

that's crazy. And so to give a little context, dear readers, like we've never put any ads behind the podcast. We release weekly and we have missed some weeks this year more than ever because I was living in a van. ⁓ So I'm sorry about that, but I'm back to a house life and we hope to not miss any more weeks for you all. Yeah.

Mikey Mioduski (01:43)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. And

even when we started, Molly, we acknowledged it would be very unlikely that anyone's gonna follow this show. like, you know, we're just gonna, like, we wanna keep the beat on all things related to presentations. And we called that beat, presentation thinking, because we're like, look, if it's about PowerPoint, public speaking, if there's...

Molly Geoghegan (02:06)
We didn't know. ⁓

Mm-hmm.

Yeah. ⁓ huh.

Mikey Mioduski (02:21)
you know, there's a million Ted Talks out there. We should just watch them and talk about it. And so we were like, and if we commit to doing it weekly, that'll just ensure that we are staying consistent and staying up on the latest and so on. And then, hey, as we started to do it more, you and I got a little more confident to say, hey, instead of just talking about this Ted Talker, maybe we should email them and see if they'll come on the show. And so we've had more and more interviews over the years and...

Molly Geoghegan (02:24)
Let's see what happens.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, yeah.

Yes, we got more confident. Yes.

Mikey Mioduski (02:49)
I think some of our best ones in 2025, which we'll talk about some of those pretty exciting interviews and shows that we did. We got nothing to hide here. you know, we will gladly share, you know, like what goes on here and look at some of these growth trends, you know, that Spotify graciously is showing us.

Molly Geoghegan (02:53)
Yes.

You

Yeah, Apple Podcasts, if you're listening, we'd love to know more. What is going on behind the curtain?

Mikey Mioduski (03:16)
And I think everyone who

does a podcast, from what I gather, everyone has the same complaints about like, yeah, we have no idea who's actually listening to our show. okay, great, it's like 50 % male or whatever. Yeah, it's like, ⁓ yeah.

Molly Geoghegan (03:27)
Alright.

Yeah, right, right, The demographics are so funny, you guys. It's like

just these globs of ages, you know? And I'm like, you could take a little bit of information from that, but there's not much you can do with it. And I am curious, like, yeah, we upload, yeah, is there, what? We should talk to other podcast creators, Mike. You see what they're doing? Where else are they getting data? Yeah.

Mikey Mioduski (03:40)
Yeah.

Yeah, so Molly, tell

me about some of the big trends that you saw that struck out to you in the year in review, wrapped.

Molly Geoghegan (03:53)
Sure.

Yeah, the year of our lord 2025 and b2b presentation thinking storyteller study club world. Okay, drum roll. We had a year over year increase from the end of last year 2024 to 2025. An increase in our total streams of 44.

plus percent, which feels pretty solid. We've had higher percentage growths in the past, but now that we're like a podcast that's been out for four years, to keep that upward trend going of like, boom, like, it always amazes me, Mikey, seeing the total streams across all platforms. I'm like, man, thousands and thousands of people are listening to this. Like, I can't believe it. I can't believe it. So that feels really great, I think, yeah. And so the year over year increase is trending upward.

Mikey Mioduski (04:16)
I

Molly Geoghegan (04:44)
We'd have to check in with the general population to see how that fits with ⁓ growth, you know? I hear you click clacking away to ask how that's going. were, yeah, okay, another couple of highlights. We were a number one show. This is our biggest ⁓ for quite a few fans, more than ever. I don't know if we want to share the exact number, of how many number ones we were for.

Mikey Mioduski (04:55)
I am, yeah.

Well,

oh yeah. So we are a 10 show for 180 fans, a top five show for 111 fans, and we're the number one show for like 26 weirdos out there. Yeah. Thank you for listening, presentation thinkers. That's pretty exciting.

Molly Geoghegan (05:17)
Yeah.

I know! ⁓ thank you to those 26 people. Thanks for listening. We'll send you- if

you know, if you were told by Spotify that we're your number one podcast, please email me, molly at ghostrange.com and we'll send you a pitch planner. We'll get you a little discount code. We're not sure where yet, but...

Mikey Mioduski (05:39)
Yeah.

Yeah, that's right.

And hey, if we are your number one show, even if we're your top 10, if you want to give us a five star rating on Spotify, that might help other people find us. So we'd love for you to do that. Or on Apple, yeah.

Molly Geoghegan (05:52)
Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely. We're growing our reviews over there,

wherever you listen.

⁓ Yeah, and like just the general fan behavior. This is again from from the wrapped we are Streamed, you know 1.6 times more than more than the average 10 % of listeners listen to two plus episodes every day that feels awesome That's one in ten people listening to more than one episode and that's not me because I don't I'm like listen to like the raw files usually Mikey which I know like doesn't help with the streams but I'm usually trying to find like a pull quote or like I'm listening back through through Riverside so I can see the script so that's not

Mikey Mioduski (06:25)
yeah.

Molly Geoghegan (06:32)
me because at first I was like maybe that's just me listening to but yeah and it says fans that listen listen to us for longer than 85 % of other shows so just feel feeling the love it's definitely I think our our biggest just like pretty solid you know I think 2024 we saw like a big jump right of year-over-year growth and this year it's like trim it's not quite as dramatic but I'm like okay we were established and we were getting this fan behavior that feels really solid

Mikey Mioduski (06:33)
Yeah. Yeah.

Molly Geoghegan (07:02)
and indicative of you know what's going on. Our rating is more than 65 % of the other shows. Please rate us if you're listening. ⁓

and shared more than 87 % of other shows. Now, Spotify, my big beef is like, you're not always sharing the same stat consistently because I have tracked the wrapped data across all four years we've been sharing. so I would love, I'd love to see more of the, you know, whatever I just shared for the last four years, you know. In 2022, we were shared more than 24 % of other shows. So to go from 24 %

to

87 % sharing rate is cool. Or more than 87 % of other shows.

Top episodes, Mikey. We can talk about some highlights too after we get through some of the data, because I know there was a lot of favorite, favorite fun moments. And as Mikey shared, we have gotten more confident in asking people to just come on our show and be a guest instead of talking about their work and then having them see us ⁓ creep on LinkedIn, tagging them or something like, which has happened multiple times. ⁓ Yeah, the top episode, we'll go to the top five.

Mikey Mioduski (08:17)
of 2025. Yeah,

give it to us. Countdown style.

Molly Geoghegan (08:18)
of 20 yeah that was

countdown style let's do it yeah okay so

The number, coming in at number five, this is indicative, again, if you are listening, you're like, what type of media should I be freaking creating in, like, you know, if you're a content creator, especially in this B2B narrative design space, you've got product launches, you've got stuff you need to get people on board with. Okay, this surprised me. Our number five episode coming in from this year, created this year, the rules of visual storytelling and how to avoid death by PowerPoint.

This is episode number 169 for us and this was an episode Mikey that you and I made

Mikey Mioduski (09:01)
Are we just riffing?

Molly Geoghegan (09:02)
maybe would have just called Riffing Filler and it's coming in as our fifth highest episode of this year. And I think it's really interesting. I'll share, here, let me just show you this little thing here. This was like a recap of what we'd been talking about with visual storytelling. We had Ali, the Ghost Ranch executive creative director on to talk about like trends and things that were happening. We talked about hierarchy of information. Like this was very tech specific.

Mikey Mioduski (09:04)
Yeah.

Molly Geoghegan (09:32)
of like chunking stuff out on slides, using grids. We were talking about some style. We were talking about the very like raw and like basic concept of no more than six items on a slide as per the OG death by PowerPoint, Ted Talk by, oh, who's that by? David Phillips. yeah, JP Phillips, thank you. Yeah, oh yeah, wait, why did you make that stand?

Mikey Mioduski (09:44)
Right?

JP Phillips, juicy, juicy PowerPoint.

Molly Geoghegan (10:01)
you

Mikey Mioduski (10:03)
David JP Phillips and we thought JP stands for juicy PowerPoint or Yeah.

Molly Geoghegan (10:04)
David, yes. Yes, yes, yeah, thank you

David JP Phillips, juicy PowerPoint Phillips for, just don't forget. When we eventually talk to him, he's gonna be like, what the hell you guys. But so this was just a really interesting, know, we have data directly from like,

the Ghost Ranch presentation designers to just establish like what we see as the rules for visual storytelling. And I think what this tells to me, Mikey I'm interested in your take too, is that people are still really interested in those core concepts. Storytelling is really hot. just saw, it might have been Elliot Rayner share about like how Google, like people may be...

Mikey Mioduski (10:45)
Mmm.

Molly Geoghegan (10:48)
Unfortunately, you getting replaced as like coders and like a certain element of statisticians and analysts. But like we still need storytellers because AI isn't doing that yet in such a strategic way. And so that narrative design category that, you know, Marcus Andrews helped help term and product marketing alliance is really leading the way and is really important. So when people get to this field and they're like, wait, I'm not a designer. What the hell are we talking about visual storytelling and like the and, know, death by PowerPoint still

a resonant phrase for people, think that's part of the reason that SEO, that long-form SEO kind of worked. So what do you think?

Mikey Mioduski (11:29)
I do. Yeah.

Molly Geoghegan (11:34)
Cough

Mikey Mioduski (11:39)
think the long tail stuff works and I think that was just chance for us to sort of as practitioners just talk about the stuff that we see day to day. So I think there is a good reason to have some tactical ⁓ content out there and balancing that with high level stuff, theoretical stuff. ⁓ And yeah, that Wall Street Journal post about the need for storytelling definitely informed, it was validating for us.

and a lot of us in our marketers, communicators who've been kind of banging that drum for a while, it's nice to see it get picked up. The story is really about these executives now. One of the stats was about how many mentions, how many times the word storytelling or storyteller got mentioned in investor relations, like IR calls and earnings reports by CEOs. So it's not just coming from marketers right now, it's coming from the very, very top.

Molly Geoghegan (12:14)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Mikey Mioduski (12:38)
the need. And so I think, yeah, think we've been seeing that for a while. That's why we picked it up as a whole leg of a bigger stool that makes a presentation thinking.

Molly Geoghegan (12:40)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah,

I guess for me it's like confirmation that it's still happening, you know? I'm like, okay, yeah, this is still, if not more than ever, very relevant to getting that like the core of human storytelling and the strategy. And yeah, the long-tail stuff works, so. That was our number five episode. Number four was someone very special, Chryslem Chen, number 183. ⁓

This was founder Chris Lim Chen's creative approach to teaching creative work.

So I'm such a cool person. She runs Hello World Studio that empowers ⁓ emerging designers to really take a leading role in the projects and expose them to like actual real professional experience so that you can't have that catch 22 kind of thing when you get out of design school and you're like, I need experience, but I don't have experience. How do I get experience? You know, it's like, what are we supposed to do? So she's really tackling that. And I think this is interesting, Mikey, in that this is...

Mikey Mioduski (13:42)
Yeah, yeah.

Molly Geoghegan (13:50)
Shout out, Chrislim, we gotta tell her. This is one of our highest growing episodes. She's made it to our top 20, and we only released this episode back in October. So this is a really fast growing episode, and I wonder about people teaching and talking about creative work, and how that might be a really catchy thing for folks to be listening to, because it's so amorphous.

Mikey Mioduski (14:14)
I love that episode. yeah, just like one of my favorite things about the show is we have a chance to meet people that we may not have otherwise bumped into. So ⁓ now I'm a huge fan of Chrysalims and I follow everything they're doing over there at Hello World Studio and she's an awesome instructor as well.

Molly Geoghegan (14:16)
Such a time.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Go check them out.

All of these goes without saying, we'll be giving everybody a hefty tag in the spice cabinet. You'll see, you'll see there. ⁓ Number three episode was ⁓ episode 173 featuring friend of the ranch, longtime friend of the ranch, ⁓ Scott Hole, in what we call a presentation party time episode, which is where we pull back the curtain and talk specifically about what went down, ⁓ like what went well in the project. Lindsay Hadley, amazing designer at the

Mikey Mioduski (14:44)
All right.

Molly Geoghegan (15:09)
⁓ and just overall color enthusiasts had worked on this and it was really fun to go through step by step of how they like how they went from yeah the story this is pulled back the curtains a story to the stage basically for Scott hole and associates and he was gracious enough to let us all the way in on that mm-hmm shout out mm-hmm

Mikey Mioduski (15:12)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we brought in Colin Dullahan, the copywriter who worked on that pitch deck and the sales deck for Scott. And yeah, so it

fun to hear both from the side that did the verbal and the writing and then the visual storytelling from Lindsay. So yeah, we love to break down a project, because I think what gets talked about a lot in our space are these.

Molly Geoghegan (15:43)
Mm-hmm. Yep. Yep.

Mikey Mioduski (15:55)
The rules, do this, don't do that, no bullets on your slides. process, and like collaborative process of actually building a sales deck from start to finish is, I love hearing more about that and I'd love to hear it from other places. So I think it was a cool, cool peak, like you said.

Molly Geoghegan (15:58)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah,

no surprise, last year one of our top episodes was the perfect pitch deck.

⁓ with Tom Fowler and so that's like remained in our tops. Yeah, very, it makes sense. And I think people, like especially if you're coming to a project and you're like, why are people talking? Like where do you even begin? Especially if you're doing something like story mining and that kind of like original like ground up work. This is a, this can be a really helpful episode to listen to because we talk about that skeleton and the creation of the decks look and feel with the help of like the illustrators and the copywriters. So.

Mikey Mioduski (16:24)
yeah, I love... Yeah, time's cool.

Molly Geoghegan (16:51)
Yeah, tune into that if you've got a project like that coming down the line. All right, that brings us to our number two episode, 100, this was 179, and this one was an absolute blast. This was a solo one for me, think, with.

Mikey Mioduski (17:04)
Yeah. This was all you. Again! Your solo ones.

Molly Geoghegan (17:08)
⁓ stop it, no.

Mikey Mioduski (17:09)
Smash, I'm outta here.

Molly Geoghegan (17:12)
no, no, no. Mikey, stay Instagram please. How will I ever introduce the podcast without you? Okay, episode 179, it's hard to say numbers when we get this many episodes, with Haley Langsdorf, who is the founder and what she self-titled chief doodler.

Mikey Mioduski (17:17)
yeah.

Molly Geoghegan (17:30)
of thoughts drawn out. is a, Hailey is a ⁓ scribe, a visual scribe. And so she'll go to events and conferences or important meetings and literally doodle them, specifically with like, she has such a great Sharpie kind of brand and feel. we, again, Mikey and I watched Hailey's Ted Talk and we loved her take on visual storytelling and we invited, you know, she got in contact with us after tagging her probably on LinkedIn. And we were like, do you want to come on the podcast?

This

is Power of Visual Storytelling with Chief Doodler, Haley Langsdorf. And she just, I think, reinforced everything we were talking about for episode five, our number five episode, Mikey, where visual storytelling is like, I think everyone has different takes on it. And I think she really demonstrates the power and the usefulness of having visuals attached to something. It'll be a lot more memorable. She has this great... ⁓

little like anecdote about like someone isn't gonna remember if you put your notes from a meeting like meeting notes in a in a time capsule no one's gonna like that's not gonna land for any alien or future person reading this in like five ten fifty a hundred years in the future but if they see images of like what was happening and the ideas created i think it's a lot more powerful and ⁓

And of course, as we've said with presentations, that's the combination of all of those things, right? she, yeah, she really, I loved what she said about like memory and ⁓ how visuals can like ingrain in our brain there and how and what she provides for her clients and the value of that. So ⁓ definitely give that one a listen. It was fun to talk to her.

Mikey Mioduski (19:12)
That's cool. Yeah, sort of

the keepsake, the momento that captures and preserves what happened. It's very, like, unique. ⁓ Such a cool asset to have afterward, but also is very effective in building memory if you see it happening in real time. Really cool.

Molly Geoghegan (19:16)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Definitely,

definitely. And if you're kind of prepping for that SKL situation, you're like, what could I add to bring some edge to this event? Like consider hiring a live scribe. She's not alone. There's other people doing that. Very, very cool. Very interesting. Mikey, this brings us to our number one episode of 2025 was. Made sense. Yeah, yeah.

Mikey Mioduski (19:37)
Yeah, yeah.

whole thing. All right, number one.

I'm really glad this was it, because this is the one I would have really wanted to listen to if I were

a listener, which I am. Yeah, yeah. This was a book club episode, Make It Punchy with Emma Stratton herself came to the show and chatted with us.

Molly Geoghegan (19:58)
Right, I cared about this kind of stuff. All right, number one is...

The author, ⁓

not only the author, like a copywriting extraordinaire, expert extraordinaire. She was such a blast. And after seeing her talk in London, I think we both saw her talk in London, right, Mikey? She wrote a book called Make It Punchy, all about strategic messaging. And this is like, she published it just, I think this past year, right?

Mikey Mioduski (20:21)
Yeah.

Molly Geoghegan (20:39)
uh maybe 2024 but it is fresh you guys so if you're again getting ready for the 2026 strategic messaging you're like oh my god how are we gonna do this um

Mikey Mioduski (20:39)
Yeah.

Molly Geoghegan (20:50)
make it punchy is your lifeline. Like it is so, it's like dejargifying things. It's actually, she's so funny. She's so approachable. It's so accessible. She's got a couple different frameworks, but one of the most useful ones is the VBF value benefits feature. And I wrote in the synopsis, dang near guaranteed to make both marketing and sales teams happy. Okay, come on, let's go. So Emma comes on to tell us, you know,

Mikey Mioduski (21:15)
Yeah, yeah.

Molly Geoghegan (21:19)
how it was for her writing the book, how she kind of went about ⁓ distilling down these frameworks and understanding what was most useful. And her background as well is super interesting. So I think it was really like, if you're working on positioning and that kind of stuff, episode 157 is for you. Number one.

Mikey Mioduski (21:35)
Yeah, and I think

there's very few books that we, like there's a lot on our presentation thinking bookshelf, many that we recommend, few that we always, that we probably suggest to be required reading. And I think like, I think Make It Punchy is officially on that list ⁓ because we know how detrimental jargon, bloat can be in terms of messaging and it's just all about.

Molly Geoghegan (21:42)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Mikey Mioduski (22:04)
clarity and distillation and speaking like, you know, like normal humans, ⁓ you know, to make sure things land. yeah, such a fun chat and Emma is the coolest.

Molly Geoghegan (22:11)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yes.

Thank you Emma, we love ya. ⁓ So fun. So those are top five episodes of year you guys. I think, yeah, I think there's a lot of indicative pulls from each of those things. Things that are validating for us, things that we've known to be true. A few surprises, a little bit of a curve ball. But cool to see like the teaching aspects, the behind the curtains, like that's still so important. And ⁓ it makes me think about, yeah, if people are working on specific types of projects and like.

Mikey Mioduski (22:37)
Yeah.

gosh. I did love our sort of guy from the crew chats with Cameron McGee from Avad3. Yeah, ⁓ he's just such a smart dude. He's so humble that he's like the founder of this really successful ⁓ event production agency. And he's just like, nah, I'm just a guy from the crew. And his story, his origin story fascinates me.

Molly Geoghegan (23:16)
Yes, they're still happening. Got one more slated.

Yeah.

Mikey Mioduski (23:37)
You know, it was like kind of doing it in college and just kind of, um, kept going to build this amazing agency. And I think, um, their approach is just, it's just incredible. Like they are just such professionals. And I think it's really a series all about watchouts, whether you're in marketing and you do events from time to time, or if you're like actually deep in events and event production, think.

Molly Geoghegan (23:41)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Mikey Mioduski (24:06)
anyone can get something from Cameron on those couple episodes. yeah, just enjoyed the sort of the friend of the show. I love our repeat guests.

Molly Geoghegan (24:11)
Yeah.

Yeah, because I think it loves us. We always end an interview being like, I'm sure, my God, we didn't even get to touch on X, Y, Z. You were usually pretty focused. ⁓ Maybe.

Mikey Mioduski (24:23)
Yeah.

And then, so that happened

with Yvonne as well. know, like this, we came across his book and boring and like this dude is sort of like contrarian and he has a right to be, cause he studied what he, was an officially a Dale Carnegie certified facilitator. So he learned the formal way to teach speaker coaching, right? Toastmasters, he went to the top of that.

Molly Geoghegan (24:31)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Mm, loved it.

Mm-hmm.

The toast masters of it all, yeah.

Mikey Mioduski (24:57)
But then he's like, started to be like, you know what, like, here's these rules that we say you have to follow. But then he's looking at like professional wrestlers and buskers and people who are actually influential cult leaders. And he's like, it's interesting that they don't follow those rules, you know? And so I loved his book and our conversations with Ivan to me really stood out this year as well.

Molly Geoghegan (25:07)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Thanks, Yvonne. ⁓ what a blast. Yeah, similarly, someone that took me by surprise was a certain magician, marketer, by the name of Jimmy Gibson in episode 175. It was so fun to just, first of all, just have a magic trick happen on the episode live was so fun. And I was just sitting there.

Mikey Mioduski (25:41)
Yeah.

Molly Geoghegan (25:46)
in my friend's San Francisco apartment, like, this is exactly where I should be right now. That's hilarious. And I just think the combination, it speaks to what we've always asserted, our hypothesis that presentations and storytelling are like in so many art forms and mediums and everything. And like to have that presented in a magic form and have part of his framework informed by that as his career as a magician just makes so much sense because marketing is persuasion and what is magic if not persuading someone of a different like real?

And I just thought that was a blast. So I had a blast with you, Jimmy. Would love to talk to you again. fun, yeah, fun. And Chris Cummings as well, just risk analysis. What the most unique communications, the most interesting man in communications. We've said it before, we'll say it again. This was episode 177. And again, we covered his Ted Talk.

which was done just before the pandemic and he assesses risk for the government as like a literal job and for him to come back on, yeah, obviously five, six years on from the pandemic and hear like a day in the life and how he present, like his literal job is like how to present risk to the public. Such an interesting, yeah.

Mikey Mioduski (26:58)
Yeah, like high stakes. I

liked, was it, what we can learn from the COVID-19 war room was, I forget if that was the title of his keynote. And yep, talk about high stakes communication. Yeah.

Molly Geoghegan (27:02)
Very cool. Yep. What a keynote. It was.

So cool.

Thanks for coming on, Chris. Yeah. What a blast. I mean, what a blast from the past and

We're gonna keep going. So one last thing I wanna share. mean, we have so, we always have a spice cabinet if you've never listened and the spice cabinet is a rapid round for obviously, for usually a guest to share what they're up to, if they wanna plug anything and if we wanna plug anything and there's just so many links. If you scroll back through the episode, there's hundreds and hundreds of links probably and maybe I should aggregate those somehow, but.

I wanna just reshare something that has come up so much this year in 2025 is how...

AI can be used in presentations and storytelling and how it can't and maybe shouldn't be, at least right now on December 23rd, 2025, at time of recording. So I just want to reshare a blog that I think would be useful from these top five episodes of the year. What Gen. AI tools can and can't do for presentations. A great blog post from our friends at Duarte and Nancy Duarte is an amazing presentation design brain. so give that one a revisit.

got another simple one, 10 powerful visual storytelling examples for successful presentations. Like again, this is from the Death by PowerPoint episode that, you know, Mikey and I are in this and we're like, that might be boring to people. But I think if you're really starting from scratch on a project, this blog specifically goes through like...

Have you thought about using infographics? Have you thought about using shapes and circles like to chunk your ideas? So there's these like basic things that I think, and I'm saying this as a learner like as well. So please like let yourself be a learner and get the templates, get the chunks ideas. So I'm gonna share those two resources out.

Mikey Mioduski (28:57)
⁓

love it. Molly, wait, so did the wrapped come out for your, did the personal Spotify wrapped come out? I totally missed it.

Molly Geoghegan (29:08)
It did. well,

wait, did you, really? What? You should look on your playlist. You should look on your playlist. Because it should save itself. Log in there and see if it's there. Let's see, I'll share. I'm a huge boney bear head.

Mikey Mioduski (29:12)
I didn't do it. What was your couple songs this year?

Yeah, okay. I'll check it out. ⁓ God, it's here, yep.

Molly Geoghegan (29:29)
He put out a new album this year. That was my top for sure. And then CMAT, C-M-A-T is an Irish kind of like a If you mixed Adele and Dolly Parton you'd get CMAT if that makes sense

Mikey Mioduski (29:32)
Okay.

Interesting. Yeah.

Molly Geoghegan (29:46)
And I love her so much. She's

so fun and funny. And that was my number two. Like I was, I went so hard on the CMAT train. My Irish friends ⁓ already know it. So Bony Bear and CMAT total tops. What about you?

Mikey Mioduski (29:57)
⁓ Yeah.

My top song was Galway Girl by Steve Earle. I think because last year I was in Ireland and then I, so that and then Don't Look Back in Anger and Wonderwall like because I was there when they announced their tour in Ireland just went nuts because they got like a couple dates so and then I got to go as you know. ⁓ Yeah, yeah so I know.

Molly Geoghegan (30:04)
Hell yeah. Irish as well.

The original. Oasis, because you went to the Oasis concert. Yeah.

my god, I'm sure.

⁓ I love how Irish our walkout songs are here for 2025.

I love that. Would that be your walkout, would that be your 2025 walkout song if we're walking off the stage, the year the curtain is closing, don't look back in anger. Oasis, yeah, I think it's gotta be. Yeah, I love that, yeah. it's beautiful, that's awesome. And we're, I'd love for you to sing a little tune of it, but we'll, love to just hear.

Mikey Mioduski (30:27)
Very cool. Very cool.

Man, yeah, I think so. Top three rock song. Yeah, yeah.

and we'll spare you presentationation.

Molly Geoghegan (30:52)
And before we leave, just want to ask Mikey, did you run, I know we shared a couple of stats on our year over year growth in the beginning of the, at the top of the episode. Did you run that through our old chatter to see how it measures up? Yeah. Is it worth sharing?

Mikey Mioduski (31:00)
yeah. Okay. So here's where we stand. We are. Just

by looking at our

at our, kind like our, where we stand as far as downloads. We are past very early slash hobby stage podcast now. We would have what they might decall, we're in the small but real audience. Like we're into that next threshold. If not in the solid niche slash like solid niche traction. That's where we go next, Molly. We are niche, very specialist, but. ⁓

Molly Geoghegan (31:23)
Happy stage.

Small but real.

Okay. For sure.

Mikey Mioduski (31:42)
I think that's what we intended to do. So yeah, we're gonna keep on plugging and we have a lot of cool ideas for 26. And while we're at it, in terms of plugin, Molly, you know, we launched StoryCamp this year. If you check out storycamp.com, tickets are gonna go on sale January 1st to the general public for marketers, communicators, people who wanna level up their presentation skills.

Molly Geoghegan (31:45)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Mikey Mioduski (32:11)
We're going to Boulder, Colorado, November 3rd through 6th, 2026. That's a lot of time to plan. So don't miss out. We already have an incredible speaker lined up. There's more to come. We're staying at the Chautauqua, which has these like adorable cabins. Like everyone could get a cabin or stay in like their like lodge style thing. It's gonna feel, we're leaning into the campiness, but it's still gonna be, yeah, it's such a good setup. There's trails right outside. It's so cool.

Molly Geoghegan (32:18)
perfect.

Yes.

Mm-hmm. It's so cute. I've

stayed there for my brother's wedding. It was great. I can attest you're gonna feel like it's adult story summer camp. The flat irons, the beautiful rock formations in Boulder are right there. You're gonna love it. And you're gonna have some amazing minds to be practicing with and learning from. And there's gonna be a PowerPoint help desk if you need some help. ⁓ It's gonna be pretty. Yeah, that's awesome.

Mikey Mioduski (32:41)
Yeah!

Yeah. Ugh, right there.

That's right. That's right.

Yeah, okay.

So yeah, save the date. It's a fantastic ⁓ turnkey offsite for teams of marketers to come on and level up the soft skills together. So storycamp.com, do it.

Molly Geoghegan (33:16)
So fun. Yeah.

You guys, thanks for listening. And we're so thankful for our listeners. Well, if we dropped merch, chat's telling us we're small but real. Let's drop merch that says presentation thinking small but real.

Mikey Mioduski (33:24)
That's right. Alright, Molly.

Small but real audience.

Thanks gang, thanks for listening. Good luck with your presentations. If you got SKOs coming up, knock them dead. We're thinking about you. And until then, Molly, what do you say? Keep on pitching.

Molly Geoghegan (33:49)
Keep on pitching.

Happy New Year.