TED Talkin’: The tool Phil Waknell uses to make presentation magic

Mikey Mioduski: [00:00:00] Welcome back to Presentation Thinking, the Storyteller's Study Club. I'm your co host Mikey Meduski, presentation nerd, founder of a presentation design agency called Ghost Ranch Communications. GoStrange. com. Fortunately for you, I'm joined by my co host, Molly Gagan, straight out of Inglewood, Colorado.

What's going on, Molly?

Molly Geoghegan: Hey, Presentation Nation. Good to be back. How's it going, Mikey?

Mikey Mioduski: Good. I'm excited to TED talk it with you today. That's what we do.

Molly Geoghegan: This is our, I think, you know, if you're just tuning in for the first time, I think we're the only podcast [00:01:00] running the risk of copyright infringement, talking about TED talks, breaking them down.

To see, I mean, we all know, I mean, they say it even in this talk we're about to talk about, but presentations can be hard, are hard, and TED Talks are kind of this exception where it's like, if you see someone on a TED Talk stage, they've made it, they're a good presenter, they're a performer, they've done something with their lives, so we look to TEDs for inspiration, and that certainly is the case here at Presentation Thinking, where we break down their experiences.

Take care. Delivery, content, visuals, minute by minute. If you're into that sort of stuff, stick around.

Mikey Mioduski: And in fact, why don't you open up a new tab and Google the three magic ingredients of amazing presentations.

Molly Geoghegan: Even easier. It's linked in the spice cabinet. Oh yeah.

Mikey Mioduski: Even easier.

Molly Geoghegan: There you go.

Mikey Mioduski: It was from a TEDx Saclay in, in France,

Molly Geoghegan: late

Mikey Mioduski: January, 2022.

So, you know, nothing bad could have. Come out of this one following

Molly Geoghegan: that little, that little

Mikey Mioduski: tickle in your throat, you [00:02:00] know, Phil got it out there. Good timing, Phil. And he's up to almost 1. 2 million views, at least on the YouTube version. That's pretty fantastic. Yeah,

Molly Geoghegan: and again, this one's called the three magic ingredients of amazing presentations.

And we had a full circle moment finding this TED talk, Mikey, because we realized that Phil Very cool, you know has a background in performance or studied performance and then went to you know Had a background in business before founding a little company called ideas on stage all about getting people You know presentation coaches and skills for presenting and we've actually our dear friend Andrea Puccini in episode 77 is a presentation coach for ideas on stage Yeah and Phil's book has previously been linked in the spy cabinet and I You Thought that was a perfect way to come across Phil, and Phil, if you're listening, we want to talk to you in person.

Yeah,

Mikey Mioduski: and Andrea, what's up, man? We miss you. Andrea's got an awesome podcast, too, by the way, and tune in, and a book, so. We'll link it all. Anyway, Ideas [00:03:00] on Stage, what a cool unit over there. So, Phil and Molly, hopefully this is also in the Spice Cabinet. We'll link it. But you found a really cool bio of his from his personal website.

I think it's called, it's like Phil presents, which is a great name.

Molly Geoghegan: Yeah. He's yeah. He seems like a great writer. Really interesting background. Interesting guy. Great English accent, but lives in France and certainly no stranger to the stage. You can tell after you've spent the 14 minutes to go watch his Ted talk and return back here, but we really, this'll present some fun, new tools, a new, a great new tool, I should say.

Yeah. That will definitely help if you have to build presentations ever, and definitely help distill down a story for a narrative for your next presentation.

Mikey Mioduski: Okay, so, Editor Will, let's give them about 14 minutes, 35 seconds, and we'll come back. Alright, Editor Will, thank you. Thanks for joining us. Again, let's [00:04:00] open up this TED Talk, talk about what we learned from Mr.

Phil. The three magic ingredients. Molly, I thought he had an excellent hook. I was like, alright, that got me a nice little chuckle out of me. What about you?

Molly Geoghegan: Absolutely, yeah. The first line he says is, Hello, you know, I think he says my name is Phil, and then he says, most people come to speak at TED, they're here because they've succeeded.

I'm here because I haven't, you know. He kind of sets up this nice click baity. Like, oh, why is this loser on stage, and it's a nice little hook. But then he follows that, very ironically, saying that, giving himself some credit, which often happens within the first minute of talks, He said, for the last 10 years, I've been helping presentation professionals and leaders perfect their presentation skills and get up on stage and work on their storytelling.

After truly just a minute and some change, he's like, this is what I'm going to tell you about today. And that is such a common formula for, [00:05:00] especially a really distilled down TED talk, to say what you're going to say to an audience so that they can stay with you, that it's super clear, And then it kind of encaps your opening act of sorts, where he says, I'd like to share with you the three magic ingredients for amazing presentations.

But then there's a nice little pause Mikey. Yeah,

Mikey Mioduski: but like it's brilliant He just directly addresses the audience what might be going on in their head where he's like cool three magic ingredients But so what what's in it for me? Why should I care? Which is like This is also meta because he's a presentation coach.

He's worked with thousands of leaders and speakers. And, you know, it's always like behind the stage, we're talking about like, all right, you have to, you have to make sure, you know, there's something in it for them. You have to be thinking about why should the audience care? And I like that he's just coming straight out and addressing it.

And it's like, why should I care? Well, I'll tell you why, you know, it's awesome.

Molly Geoghegan: And along the way, we'll talk about his visuals specifically later, but along the way, he's only had maybe a handful of [00:06:00] visuals. Kind of cheesy stock stuff, but nothing too much or over the top. And I think the first one is bored people when he's kind of referencing that by PowerPoint.

He's like, we all know. Our expectation with presentations is that we're gonna fall asleep, and he put like a crime scene tape across it.

Mikey Mioduski: That was sweet.

Molly Geoghegan: And for this pause, I like he just had a big pause button, like a video player, camcorder. And so he's like, but, we're pausing my presentation, like it's just, everything he does is very literal.

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Molly Geoghegan: And I like that he calls out exact, like he's like, I'm a presentation professional, I'm giving you this presentation about presentation. And I'm showing you in such a clear and explicit way where we are in the way, which he does even more later. We'll talk about it.

Mikey Mioduski: Yeah.

Molly Geoghegan: Yeah. So then he gets into those, those magical ingredients.

Mikey Mioduski: Number one, and he doesn't break, break from the pack with pretty much every expert who talks about presentations. First and foremost, the audience. If you listen,

Molly Geoghegan: you know what we're going to say. Yeah. First and foremost, the audience. The

Mikey Mioduski: audience. The audience. I [00:07:00] like, I just like some verbatims, you know, but the audience is the magic ingredient in every presentation.

This is not my talk. It's yours. So we've been in a room where someone might just be sort of speaking to things they care about and kind of all about them, right? And if we're not brought in to some degree. We will tune out, we'll bust out the phone, we might even get up to go get coffee, whatever. Yeah, and so, it has to be, you relinquish, and once you acknowledge that this is all about these people in the room, that's the frame of mind you have to be in, is theirs.

Molly Geoghegan: Yeah, absolutely validating the point. If you've listened to the podcast before, you're unsurprised and maybe even a little underwhelmed. To hear that the audience is his first magic ingredient.

Mikey Mioduski: Well, it's funny, like these three magic ingredients, the audience, what do you see? He only spends maybe a minute there because maybe it's so obvious, right?

It's like. Alright, make it about them. Next, number two, the second magic ingredient, is actually, da da da, the speaker. The speaker, yeah. So that's kind of [00:08:00] the twist that I think

Molly Geoghegan: That's

Mikey Mioduski: true, yeah. Is, isn't, uh, kind of counter to the audience.

Molly Geoghegan: Yeah, absolutely. And this is all about making it personal enough so that someone else can't just do your presentation exactly the same.

And by that, he's like, you need to personalize it enough so that it shows that it's important to you. Otherwise, you're just like Maybe I'm imagining like someone at the science fair being like, check it out, like, you know, in school, you're like, this was my topic I drew out of the fishbowl, so I don't necessarily care about it.

Maybe later on people get more passionate, but you got to include stories, anecdotes, and make it really has to be connected to you in some way.

Mikey Mioduski: Yeah, and Phil, master, you know, communicator, leverages, some of those made to stick principles. Rhyming was one that we know works. And so he says, Yeah. When you share, we care, you know, and so it's like, but he says like, that doesn't mean you have to tell them what you had for breakfast, but it does mean that if someone could give the exact presentation that you could have given with nothing, you didn't share enough, like personal [00:09:00] information.

So tell them like why you're passionate about this project. Or the presentation you're working on, and I think Phil did a good job of that at the beginning of his talk. It's like, this is my mission. Like, I care so much. I, I, I hate the crappy presentations. I want the world to be better, and I'm failing, you know, and so, yeah, you can tell that, like, tell them why you're here.

And, and I think that's even one of those Carmen Gayo books about, like, the Steve Jobs, like, the presentation hacks. He he's always there like I'm so excited to talk about this device today and passion is contagious, right?

Molly Geoghegan: Yeah, absolutely. And then with that third one, you know, we're familiar with the audience.

We're familiar with the speaker But the third one is a new word to say something. That is a concept. We've of course heard before Which is transformation, and he says that, you know, a lot of presentations will just give information, it's just a book report, it shows, you know, and it was like a funny animation of information going in one ear [00:10:00] and then being scattered out the other one, so.

In order for an audience to feel moved and truly remember you, they need to undergo a certain transformation or be convinced of something, to maybe have their mind changed, or not just know what you, who you are and what you're about, but maybe like, go look you up, maybe go, if you're pitching something, you need funding, you know, he's like, it's not a success if you pitch something, And they just walk away knowing who you are.

It's a success. If you get the money, that's, that's the shark tank success. So he's like, they need to be moved by it. Take action. That's it. This is interesting. He really does speed through this at these, Mikey, you alluded to this. At this point, we're about at minute five in a 14 minute talk. And a lot of times when people are like, I'm going to tell you the four key things and the five best way it takes, like the full talk, that's like the core content of their talk.

And what I think. Where I think Phil really levels up in this talk is the shift at minute five, where he has these three key ingredients that [00:11:00] he's gone through simple, probably familiar. You're kind of like, all right, sure. Great. Like, thanks for that. But he says, but how, like, how are we going to do this?

How are we going to use it? And he gets into his own tool that he calls

Mikey Mioduski: the audience transformation roadmap. Molly, there's a TM on that too, which is pretty awesome for ideas on stage. Way to go guys. That

Molly Geoghegan: trademark. Yeah. And he's sharing this tool. It's a cool, it reminds me of our plugging our own ghost ranch.

Steve Earl, one of our amazing, you know, product marketing leaders came up with slide zero to develop like your true core story and purpose before you get started in a presentation. And it kind of has a similar table set up and some questions you need to be asking yourself before you get into like slideware and the story and the core content of your presentation.

Mikey Mioduski: Yeah, let's open up that roadmap. This is also pretty familiar, like questioning, right? It's like. I, I've heard this a lot before. I think he adds one fourth question and it was like, I commonly hear, what do you want the [00:12:00] audience to think, feel, do right? And I think he adds like, what does the audience know?

So think of this, like this grid, I think it's four columns on the far left are the labels. So, and this is what the audience feels. And so the first question is like, what do they know, feel, believe, do, is that it Molly? Did I get it right?

Molly Geoghegan: Believe, feel, do. Yeah.

Mikey Mioduski: Okay. And then the second column is like the current state or the before your presentation.

Is that right?

Molly Geoghegan: Yeah. Yeah. That's so it's like going through these questions and you want to go through. All of these factors about your audience, of how they are. And what you know about them, kind of in a demographic way, before your presentation.

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Molly Geoghegan: And then on the next right hand column, you ask the same questions in reverse order for what do you want them to do, feel, believe, and know after your presentation.

And then he puts a column in between that, calls it the transformation column, where that's where your content is born. [00:13:00] It's like the bridge from going from the before to the after. What does my audience know before the presentation and what do I want to them to walk away knowing? What do I want them to walk away doing, believing, feeling and asking them in reverse order this clever thing I have never seen where it kind of Flips it on its head that in order to get from point A to point B you have to kind of work backwards, right?

And so it's like a clever way to Hopefully follow the my, like, the inception of the way someone would Be transformed by a presentation.

Mikey Mioduski: 100%. And then, I mean, this is brilliant, like mic drop moment when he clicks and basically that middle column of all those sticky notes where he had to Alright, in order for us to get from them to know this, to know that, I need to add this, say this, and in order for them to want to do this, and instead do that, I need to say these things, and then he strips it all away, except for those, that middle column, and boom, he's got an outline for his freaking talk, and it's so meta, he's like, oh, by the way, this is the talk I'm [00:14:00] giving you right now.

Molly Geoghegan: And it's worth even saying, like, before he even gets, so he presents this tool, the Audience Transformation Roadmap TM, with all the questions going in one order and then reverse back order, and he's like, how's it sitting? Like, are you getting that? Should we do, go through an example? And then he starts to go through, like, his own talk that he's going through, right?

The presentation, so again, he, like, zooms out, it's super meta. He knows that he's giving a presentation on presentations, and so he's like I might as well use the example You're literally watching right now, so it's super clear to you Nothing is like hard to imagine because you're seeing it happen in real time And when he puts those sticky notes in between the before and the after column and then resorts them Into the way he sorted out his TED talk you see exactly where his points were made And he's like this is how I made this talk the one you're watching right He's like then this is why it's this is the magic of it Is that it does the work for you when you do this kind of upfront planning and stroke map.

And he's like, you might see some of this as [00:15:00] familiar because you've been watching the talk for the last ten minutes.

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Molly Geoghegan: know. And it's a nice like, whabam moment. Not to mention he's got his magic wand probed out at this point. He pulls it out two different times. And that's the second one. It's a nice like little, you know, perhaps can be cheesy, but he uses the word magic.

So why not?

Mikey Mioduski: Molly, he got the double applause at the end. So like he has this almost false close Molly, where the, I think the, cause it was so good, like the end of this section that people were like, dang, I think he just like finished, but yeah, he talks about like he, he had zoomed out, Hey, that was the presentation and like, and next we'll have a call to action, but he's like, basically this, this framework works in any situation where you need to change what people believe, feel, and do.

You really don't need a magic wand, this is all the magic you need. And then boom, that was the first applause and thank you. But then he's like, oh, but I forgot, we have a CTA. And he is very deliberate with the call to action. He's like, I want you to use the framework, I want you to share this, you know, I want us to end bad presentations forever.

Molly Geoghegan: Totally. I thought it was so clever [00:16:00] where, like, I think he has about one minute left and he goes, Oh, now I need to give you a call to action, like, cause his next click highlights the sticky note that he's on.

Music: Uh huh.

Molly Geoghegan: And he's like, and it's both an imitation, he like places himself among us being like, I can't cure the world bad presentations on my own, but together we can.

So like, share this with who you, who you know has to present, use it yourself. Yeah, email it to a colleague and it's just a really clear and simple call to action and Certainly, this is maybe the point where people are taking photos of of the screen or something So it's just it's it works so well, so clean really well done.

Yeah, it's a perfect Mikey I noticed this too as we were rewatching it. There's a perfect Before he gets into his own example of his presentation plugged into the tool, he's exactly at the halfway point. So he uses the half for the setup and his like hypothesis basically. And then the second half is like a clear demo and an example humanizing himself along the way, some humor moments and some clever animations.

But it's just so, it's [00:17:00] so structured. If frameworks that we've studied in the past 120 Nine episodes this fits every it checks ticks every box, you know It could fit you could fit it within each framework good storytelling good setup What's in it for me and then a good call to action at the end.

Mikey Mioduski: Totally. Yeah good like probably a three part act and Exactly like great callbacks and closure setups props. Let's talk about The three or four pillars that we love to, you know, like what makes a great presentation, we look at story or narrative, that's sort of the content, you know, what do they actually say and how do they structure it?

We look at visuals and design, and then we also look at stage presence delivery, right? So I think you just alluded to him, his story, like the structure being. Pretty much top notch

Molly Geoghegan: top notch.

Mikey Mioduski: Yeah

Molly Geoghegan: story and the structure fits in so perfectly It's [00:18:00] not too stiff, but it's familiar It's right that perfect line Lorenzo Tione in our previous episode had a great quote about Story good storytelling writing the line between something familiar and also something innovative and not formulaic And this is what that does for me for sure Yeah,

Mikey Mioduski: I would love to see him live.

I think the only area, did he tell many personal stories? I think he, he really made him a lot about the audience and like generalizing. Hey, we've seen, we've gotten bored in a presentation, but. I can't remember if there are any specific stories.

Molly Geoghegan: Not really. And you know, we don't really hear much about idea, and maybe this was intentional, was just to share the, the tool, but we don't really hear about ideas on stage, so I wonder if what kind of other talks Phil has done where it's like a little more about like, Phil and the ideas on stage like project and yeah I'd be really curious to hear how he shares anecdotes because this one was very focused on his [00:19:00] Hypothesis of the three ingredients and then applying them to his tool.

Mikey Mioduski: Yeah. Yeah. Okay as far as How about the visuals? I thought the videos were pretty I loved him actually Yeah, yeah, like there was one around minute four where he had a I think he his like timing of the visuals That's why I want to see him live is I think he was one of those like Click masters because I could tell just even from like the production on here It looked like it was like perfectly timed every time like right on the word He wanted he would change the visual or remove it a little so they also had a little bit of subtle animation Which this is almost five years ago, and I think they were pushing the tools As far as they could at the time.

So I think things looked really sharp. There's some stock, but they used it well, like with nice little movements here and there, like Ken Burns y style.

Molly Geoghegan: If any listener has ever had the privilege of hearing Mikey Meduski talk, it's kind of similar. His humor of his visuals reminded me of yours. Like, you love a well timed [00:20:00] GIF or a well timed, just like, funny, like an illustrative cross through.

You're like, here's this idea, crossing it out, or moving it along, and yeah, there was these nice, even though some of them were stock photos, like, stock photo can be used really well, and it's like, the cheesiness doesn't matter when you really are showing something about, like, he's talking about death by powerpoint being so horrible, so it's like, yeah, people asleep in a classroom.

That's a perfect visual to show, and then the crime scene tape across it, just like a nice funny moment. So, I think he has like, just enough, nothing too much. Mm hmm. On words for emphasis, he, he uses that a couple times. He has like a couple templates. That show up more than once, where it's like the people in the crowd looking engaged, like at a concert or something, where it's like he uses the transformation thing, he uses the wand a couple times coming out of the magic hat for magic ingredients, like, a few things for emphasis.

He certainly, like, has the three. Magic ingredient words up there too. So a few things for emphasis and remembering.

Mikey Mioduski: Yeah, we love a good [00:21:00] like, like the signposting. So it's sort of that anchor slide that you see probably four or five times during, throughout and he builds it and by the end You see like here's these three magic ingredients and you know, very cool.

I did love that. That was my favorite minute four He's like, he pulls out the magic wand Let me pull out my magic wand because I'm going to do a disappearing trick. And there's that dude on the slide, like information goes in one ear and that this is where they did some cool cropping and in PowerPoint and, and the animation comes out the other end shambles and just like disappears.

And we've heard that a lot from gurus like Carmen Simon audiences only retain about 10, maybe 1 percent of the actual content you, you gave them. So yeah, I think he, I loved that move and then toward the end when he tosses it. So I love the visuals. I think some of the best I've seen, he like stylistically.

You know, things get outdated, but I think it was minimalistic. Like you said, just like a big pause button when he's like, I'm going to pause right now. Yeah. Loved it. I love that.

Molly Geoghegan: Yeah. Loved it. I [00:22:00] thought the visuals were excellent. Yeah. We love the structure. Maybe a little more storytelling could have been even more emotive.

Right.

Mikey Mioduski: Sure.

Molly Geoghegan: And then delivery. Mikey, what do you think of his delivery? That's our last pillar we look at.

Mikey Mioduski: Yeah. I'm a big, I think like a 11 out of 10, I think he's, you know, reading up about his background, he's done some acting, he's played guitar, he's done musicals. Dude's got stage presence, he looks so comfortable, and when someone's confident and comfortable and poised on stage, the audience feels more comfortable, and so I think, yeah, just, yeah, I, I don't know if it's his British accent, but I told you, he reminds me of like a, like a presentation guru, James Corden or something, like, a very friendly persona, you know, like he's, But also authoritative and, and kind of snarky.

Like he, you know, like a little sarcastic, but like, kind of like, come on, let's, let's do this a little better y'all. And

Molly Geoghegan: yeah, I liked

Mikey Mioduski: it.

Molly Geoghegan: And with the delivery. I know you ran the transcript through the, uh, Transcript 3000, what's our tool called?

Mikey Mioduski: Oh yeah, it is the Transcript Processor 3000. [00:23:00] We've officially opened it.

Molly, 2100, and I'll call it 60 words? About 14 and a half minutes long. Come and write about 149 words per minute, so I think as far as His cadence goes pretty much on point, you know, like he wasn't rushed at all. And geez, master of those like pregnant pauses and loved it.

Molly Geoghegan: Beautiful. So that's a great beats per minute, especially for a Ted talk.

It's always a Ted talk. So we find it to be like a little slower, right? Like people don't speed through that kind of stuff.

Mikey Mioduski: Yeah. It's really well rehearsed.

Molly Geoghegan: Most frequently used words.

Mikey Mioduski: We like to, we like to guess, right? Cause we. We know what the title is, Three Magic Ingredients of Amazing Presentations.

We know that because audiences tend to forget all the words we say. It's important to manufacture what we want them to remember, right? And so, okay, Molly, I'll, I don't know if you peeked at the Analyzer 3000, but

Molly Geoghegan: I, I did peek at it, but then I didn't [00:24:00] see, I clicked away so that I wouldn't see the comment, but I do think That's for the three magic ingredients of amazing presentations.

Presentation has to be Ding,

Mikey Mioduski: ding, ding, ding. Yeah, presentation. Is that the first or second? 45 instances. Oh, yeah. Present, presentation. Out of 2160 words, that's damn near 2%. I was going to say, that's

Molly Geoghegan: saying that word probably like five times a minute, you know? Yeah, yeah,

Mikey Mioduski: yeah, yeah. That's heavy. This is the most We have to come up with the KPI, the

Music: Yeah.

The

Mikey Mioduski: keyword Density index. This is a, this is a thick one. It's a heavily weighted presentation and an audience 35 times transform 27 times magic 26 times You know feel 18 believe 15 so slew of words that he was really Like zoning in on but I think it was effective to me. I don't think it was like repetitive

Molly Geoghegan: No, I didn't notice that at all.

So I really well done. Yeah. Yeah, that's awesome. I love I love hearing though Yeah the [00:25:00] top

Mikey Mioduski: he also had four parentheses Laughters in the transcript which I think is actually I forget the one that had the most in it We'll start to make a ranking of this information. He had two applauses You But yeah, I, I love seeing more than a couple laughs in a, in a transcript.

Molly Geoghegan: I agree. It's a, it's one of those markers that when you're coding a talk, like, you know, Steve Jobs always got a lot of, used humor really well and got those laughs at the right time. And also created a sense of like silence as well and anticipation,

Mikey Mioduski: uh,

Molly Geoghegan: just as important as, as the words themselves, you know, so.

Mikey Mioduski: Molly, importantly, people don't remember what these, you say, they remember how you made them feel. How do you feel? How, what, how did Phil make you feel?

Molly Geoghegan: Oh, he made me feel happy. He made me feel like everything we've been doing is correct. He made me feel inspired to use this tool. Mikey I was gonna suggest on the podcast that you use this tool for your next talk.

Yeah, [00:26:00] and see how it feels You know like put it put it out in the wild and see

Mikey Mioduski: challenge accepted Yeah, we're going down to Park City the ghost ranch crew for our first in person in a while And yeah, we're all giving some little lightning talks a bunch of us. So I might give that a whack.

Molly Geoghegan: Yeah, it could be fun Yeah, absolutely.

Mikey Mioduski: Yeah,

Molly Geoghegan: and With that, I think we are in the Spice Cabinet because I want to link Phil's tool, Phil's company, Phil's book, our friend Andrea from episode 77 who worked with Phil at Ideas on Stage, and What else have we got in the Spice Cabinet, Mikey? What do you think Phil's little walk up song might be?

Mikey Mioduski: Yeah, well, you already, we briefly brainstormed so we didn't get caught off guard too bad. I think your, do you believe in magic? I think, uh, I can't, I can't trump you there.

Music: Yeah,

Molly Geoghegan: three magic ingredients, you know, he seems so, he seems so wholesome and fun. I just, I think, do you believe in [00:27:00] magic really? Really works for Phil, uh, Phil Wake, Wake nal, and I can't wait to hear from him if that, if we're correct.

Mikey Mioduski: I think the other one though, the, uh, is it Bob Dorough, the, um, three, it's a magic number.

Music: Ah, that too, yeah. Three, it's a magic number. A man

Mikey Mioduski: and a woman. A lot of people have covered that. I forget if it's the, uh, yeah, but I, I love that jam. Thank you, Editor Will.

Molly Geoghegan: Well, Phil Wagnall, thank you for a, an inspiring TED talk. This has been a fun TED talking and even though you had to present in January of 2020, I'm sure you are back on stage keynoting galore.

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Mikey Mioduski: These Europeans, man. They they can they can pump up a presentation.

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Molly Geoghegan: Yeah. And if you need help with your own presentation, as far as the design And the content, getting it all pretty and, and structured all nicely. Call your friends at The Ranch. Go to ranch. com. We're here for you. All your presentation needs.

Mikey Mioduski: And Molly, gosh, if, if someone is listening this far, they might be as nerdy about presentations as, as we are.

And if they are, and if they think they know other people who might be, As into it as us. We'd love for you to, to rank, you know, rate us, review us on Spotify or Apple, iTunes, whatever you, you listen to a five star review would be so welcome. You know, we're trying to, trying to get more listeners who care about this stuff.

And. More guests. So if you want to come on, if you know someone who's an epic presenter or someone outside of our industry directly, who we can learn from to become better business communicators, Hey, send them our way. And as always, it's been a blast. Molly, we do this [00:29:00] every day. Let's go make some great presentations for our clients.

Perfect. In the meantime, y'all keep on pitching.