TED Talkin’: Why Sir Ken Robinson has the most-viewed TED ever

Mikey Mioduski (00:00.229)
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Molly Geoghegan (00:00.502)
Last time, didn't even give me the option to join, sure. And I don't know, maybe it just picked it up this time. we're in. How about yours? You sound good to me.

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Okay, Okay, welcome back to Presentation Thinking, AKA the Storyteller's Study Club. Sometimes we like to, Molly, watch a TED Talk and talk about it because we're presentation nerds and what a better repository of amazingness than to dig through the archives of TED. And today you picked a winner, literally.

Molly Geoghegan (00:35.246)
That's right, Mikey. We picked a TED Talk Today presentation nation that you've probably already seen because it's like, I think the third most watched TED Talk of all time. We were just looking at the numbers. Number one, the number one. Sorry, Brene Brown. get confused with, she's number one in my heart. But we've got Sir Ken Robinson. Why do schools kill creativity? All the way from 2006. This is an old Ted, oldie.

Mikey Mioduski (00:46.745)
No, it's not number one, Molly.

Molly Geoghegan (01:02.904)
That's part of the reasons so well watched, the main reason it's so well watched, I think that's, I'm talking 75 million views, at least on the Ted Talk thing alone. That's not even including YouTube, but he is such a master of the craft of storytelling, sharing expertise. He's funny. He has, this is one of those talks we got to figure out a name for them, Mikey, but there's no visuals, right? It's just a clean, clean talk.

Lecture him on him on the stage, but he's so engaging so funny and it is truly a mastercraft So if you were just tuning in for the first time you're like what the hell are you guys talking about? Ted talking is our series of learning from the best of Ted and We analyze everything they do in their talk. So go ahead and click into those show notes Watch the 19 minute talk by Sir Ken Robinson Really interesting author researcher and coach on the education world

especially if you're interested in schools and teaching and creativity, know, keeping up with your creativity. So go watch that and we'll be right here.

Mikey Mioduski (02:10.138)
Thank you, editor John, we're back. Okay, first of all, Molly, do schools kill creativity? Has to be the click baitiest title ever. Half the population of the Earth are teachers, so I'm sure that must have got a lot of people to be like, what the hell?

Molly Geoghegan (02:18.456)
Great question. Yes.

Molly Geoghegan (02:26.35)
Yeah, and a lot of people care about education and a lot of people work in education in different capacities and have thoughts on, I think one of the other big TED Talks we've covered, right, Sugata Mitra talks about how kids absorb information and letting kids kind of be autonomous. So this is, I think fits in that category of, I think this covers a wide range of interests for people. Like, I don't know, do schools kill creativity? Like that's a great question.

Mikey Mioduski (02:31.203)
Yeah.

Molly Geoghegan (02:54.872)
To start out his talk, he doesn't start with that question, which I was kind of anticipating actually, but he just says, good morning, know, compliments the conference. And he immediately makes himself funny. you can tell, I think this is someone, even in 2006, he's already clearly established, like he's the keynoter person. This is a full room of the TED. I think it's at the end of the conference, right? And he's like, it's just been amazing at this conference. my God, it's been beautiful. He's like, I'm leaving. I think it's been enough, right? So he makes himself funny.

Mikey Mioduski (03:21.818)
Molly Geoghegan (03:24.918)
And he also kind of diminishes his presence, I think, in like a very relatable way. And I just thought that was a really, I wasn't expecting that from his opening at all. And I thought that was funny.

Mikey Mioduski (03:35.321)
I think it's a good tactic for speakers listening. I'm sure many have done this, but he addresses the conference. just, hey, how you doing? It's been great. I've noticed three themes running through the conference, you know? And he kind of like summarizes them, which is just like a nice way to let people know, like, hey, I've been paying attention to, I'm one of you, and I'm here to kind of build upon what's already been said. So I think that's...

Molly Geoghegan (03:39.647)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Molly Geoghegan (03:47.137)
local color.

Molly Geoghegan (03:54.263)
Very smart.

Molly Geoghegan (03:57.805)
Mm-hmm.

Molly Geoghegan (04:01.197)
Mm-hmm.

Mikey Mioduski (04:02.126)
A really cool tactic, Amy Cuddy did that for us at story camp. And it just, it made us all feel like seen and like we're in this together, which is, it made it more of an experience that he's part of.

Molly Geoghegan (04:04.888)
Mm-hmm.

Molly Geoghegan (04:11.07)
Yeah. Yeah. She's also here. Yeah, totally. And then he also has like another layer of relatability built into the talk where he's like, you know, he's like, work in education. He's like, oh, you know, whenever anyone says that, like at a party, you know, the blood drains from their face, the color drains from their face. so, and anyone in the audience, like he's getting laughs at this point, right? Because I think people relate to that. Like, that's a really hard job. There's so many opinions about that.

So it's this other layer of like, he's like, I'm right there too. I work in education. It's crazy, isn't it? And he says, as you, Mike, you have a good comment on this. I know declaring passion is an important thing at the beginning of a talk.

Mikey Mioduski (04:51.864)
Yeah, no, like, yeah. You and I, Molly, obviously we study a lot of these. study, we're on our Steve Jobs deep dive too. And declaring what you're excited about, you can do it two ways. First, people can pick up on your energy and your passion, but just being straightforward and saying like, I have a big interest in education. know, I'm so excited today to talk to you about XYZ.

Molly Geoghegan (05:03.982)
Mm-hmm.

Molly Geoghegan (05:14.305)
Mm-hmm.

Mikey Mioduski (05:18.862)
Don't be afraid to just straight up tell them that you're pumped about this topic. Because what? Mia from La La Land, my favorite quote. It's like, people love what other people are passionate about. You know, it's contagious, Molly, right? So, just if you're stoked to talk about your topic, let them know.

Molly Geoghegan (05:22.808)
Mm-hmm.

Molly Geoghegan (05:29.794)
Yeah, exactly.

Right. Even that goes for like, you think you're, especially if you think you're like topic, like, it's going to be boring to other people. But if you're stoked on it, then like, yeah, get the, get the research out there, like to show the research, show the results, whatever it is. Like that's such like an important piece of it. And he does this all within the first three minutes. he's in the first three minutes, he's established relatability. you know, we presume there's some pre-context here of like he's Sir Ken Robinson. He is established. So we're trusting him. There's no slides yet or anything like that.

Mikey Mioduski (05:40.054)
I know it's... Yeah!

Totally.

Molly Geoghegan (06:04.152)
But he's established where he works and his interest in what he wants to talk about. Cause at three minutes he says verbatim, I want to talk about education and I want to talk about creativity. Cause I think creativity is as important as literacy. So he kind of declares a little hypothesis.

Mikey Mioduski (06:15.032)
Yeah.

Mikey Mioduski (06:18.606)
Yeah, and he does that, Molly, with like, he makes a, he says, my contention is all kids have tremendous talents and we squander them ruthlessly. My contention is that creativity is now as important in education as literacy. That's a big statement. And then obviously he has to go unpack that, right? So three minutes into a 19 minutes, beep, bop, beep, whatever the math is on that.

Molly Geoghegan (06:26.326)
Mm-hmm. Yes. Yes.

Molly Geoghegan (06:34.838)
Yes, yes. Big statement. Yeah. So big statement by minute three. Let's go. Yeah.

Molly Geoghegan (06:45.358)
So smart. The 16 more. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Great intro. And then we have another before, like at this point I was expecting, was like, is he gonna get out the clicker and start going through research or something? No, he has really clever anecdotes. These are small vignettes to start supporting his claim, right? So first he's like, kids are so creative, right? He's talking about this girl he had heard about drawing.

Mikey Mioduski (06:47.736)
So we're like 15, 16 % of the way through. That's a good intro.

Mikey Mioduski (07:03.563)
stories.

Molly Geoghegan (07:13.056)
in class and she and you the teacher came up and was like what are you drawing? She's like I'm drawing God and the teacher was like nobody knows what God looks like and the little girl was like well they will in a minute you know like just just hold on like these sweet like you know kids say the darnedest things kind of feeling but there's this there's and then he goes on to say another very funny one about kids not understanding what is it the three kings bring gold frankincense and myrrh and frankincense and they and they they say in the play frank sent this

Mikey Mioduski (07:23.482)
That one killed me.

Mikey Mioduski (07:42.392)
Yeah, this one's from Frank, yeah.

Molly Geoghegan (07:42.7)
You know, so right. So these funny moments where you're like, my God, kids are so creative and like they don't they're so wholesome because they're they don't know any different. Right. And he said that exactly that if you don't if you know, if kids don't know, they'll have a go. I love that. And because because kids will take a chance if they don't know they're going to be wrong. And there's that. I think that speaks to this like, yeah, that that sweet whimsy that you have as a kid, the childlike wonder, because if you don't know that

Mikey Mioduski (07:59.259)
Molly Geoghegan (08:12.268)
being wrong is a problem or anything else like that. You're just like operating at a level that we have lost. It is truly what it is. Yeah. And he says, he asserts that if you're not prepared to be wrong, he'll never come up with an original idea and original ideas and creativity are so paramount to like, yeah, it's valuable. Yeah. And that's about six minutes. And so he creates those two

Mikey Mioduski (08:28.782)
He seems to really, yeah, value that which is created from nothing.

Mikey Mioduski (08:37.05)
Yeah.

Molly Geoghegan (08:37.546)
anecdotes as more buffer to the thing he really wants to get down to. He even throws in that famous Picasso quote that, you know, all children are born as artists, but we, the problem is maintaining that artist as we get older. and we, you know, we don't grow into creativity. We get educated out of it, unfortunately. And you're like, Ooh, okay. So that's the really, that's, gets a little deeper on his contention that he asserts a minute, minute three there. So now we're six minutes in and he starts talking about.

Mikey Mioduski (08:59.427)
Yeah.

Molly Geoghegan (09:05.89)
his move from Stratford, England to Los Angeles.

Mikey Mioduski (09:07.428)
Yeah. Yeah. And he said, he's like, well, you've probably heard of Stratford. That's where Shakespeare's father was from. And he's like, isn't that weird that Shakespeare had a father? And he's like, more weird. Can you imagine being Shakespeare's English teacher? And so yeah, I love, yeah, but I don't know what, like he didn't straight up say this, but I guess it goes to show like, you know, education is...

Molly Geoghegan (09:19.948)
Yes.

Molly Geoghegan (09:24.82)
Yeah, he's like, wouldn't that be annoying?

Mikey Mioduski (09:36.354)
everywhere as well, even though even the great ones had had gone through it and Meet maybe were maybe we're taught in a different way back then potentially or encouraged to keep doing what they were doing. Who knows right?

Molly Geoghegan (09:40.502)
Yes, so true, yeah.

Molly Geoghegan (09:45.699)
Hmm.

Molly Geoghegan (09:49.228)
Yeah, think, mean, Mikey, we should do a little more. I mean, we've got our Will Shakespeare as the logo of Presentation Thinking, but I think, you know, we gotta think about that because in the back in the day, I'm making a kind of a little bit of a generalization here, but back in the day, arts were so high regarded, you know, like if you learned how to play like a piano, you'd be like, come play the piano forte for my, know, salon or whatever. And so that was like highly, highly regarded. And

Mikey Mioduski (10:06.233)
Right.

Molly Geoghegan (10:17.996)
by royals and people of like, you know, status. And so I feel like maybe the Sir and Sir Ken Robinson is continuing that. But yeah, I just think that's interesting how that's shifted, right? And he does say that he's like, regardless of Stratford to LA, every education system on earth has the same hierarchy of subjects. Like he gets down to that sort of, once he gets past his funny jokes about moving to LA.

Mikey Mioduski (10:25.698)
Yeah, yeah.

Mikey Mioduski (10:39.224)
And is it, it kind of like the, almost like an industrial complex where we were now teaching to get people, get the companies, their product, you the people, and, and we needed them. I loved how he phrased it. It's like, we started to educate them from the waist up, particularly on one side of that. So like, you know, like the left brain, the analytics, that became the priority over art.

Molly Geoghegan (10:48.184)
Totally.

Molly Geoghegan (10:56.629)
heads yeah.

Molly Geoghegan (11:01.216)
Yes. Left brain, right brain. We've talked about that so many times. There's countless images that Ghost Rage has produced to demonstrate our integration of the two, the creative and the logical. But yeah, he says we start going waist up, then we focus on their heads, then one side of their heads. So it's like we really reduce it down to this portion of a person and educate for that. And he says that no public system

Mikey Mioduski (11:09.934)
Yeah.

Molly Geoghegan (11:30.648)
There was no public system of education before the 19th century. What happened in the 19th century was the Industrial Revolution. So then jobs become more of a like this, like we're going to school to get jobs. So we start basing education priorities based on how you're most likely to get jobs because no one really says like, you go learn how to play the harp. You'll get a really, you'll get an amazing 401k at the symphony orchestra. Like no one's doing that. And so we started to kind of.

reduce it down, think, get more niche in an unfortunate way. And then the second piece he says is the academic ability. We're predicting people's abilities. He's like, more people are gonna be good at like math and science and business, I guess, right? Rather than, boy, painting oils.

Mikey Mioduski (12:17.144)
it's become kind of binary too, to where it's like, there's only one way to be successful coming out of the academic system, and that is with these traits that we've prioritized. But he's saying, then he kind of pivots into this concept of academic inflation, or to where, okay, in 30 years, more people are graduating than cumulatively in history from higher education. Suddenly the degrees are worth.

Molly Geoghegan (12:28.322)
Yeah.

Molly Geoghegan (12:36.075)
Yeah.

Molly Geoghegan (12:42.528)
Ever. Right.

Mikey Mioduski (12:46.168)
less and less, think we're picking up on that. We're feeling that today, Molly. So it's like first you needed a bachelor's then you got a job. That was the path. And now it's like, now you need an MA, now you need a PhD, and so you keep going. so he wants to reconsider what, and break down that intelligence is more than one thing, and he breaks down intelligence into what, Molly, we love rule of threes, even better.

Molly Geoghegan (12:53.25)
Yeah, no problem.

Molly Geoghegan (12:59.47)
you

Molly Geoghegan (13:06.606)
Mm-hmm.

Mikey Mioduski (13:13.366)
if there's some alliteration. Did you pick up on like the three Ds, I guess? I love this. Diverse, dynamic, distinct.

Molly Geoghegan (13:17.753)
no, hit me with it.

Yes, okay, gotcha. Yes, yes. Wow.

Mikey Mioduski (13:23.972)
So intelligence, he starts out, is diverse. And this is really the last meat of his talk, right? Like this breakdown of intelligence.

Molly Geoghegan (13:30.306)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Molly Geoghegan (13:34.676)
And I was going to say he has this sort of flip in those last like five or six minutes after he talks about the break. Yeah, the breakdown of intelligence, the declining value of education. think of like that inflation we've reached, like everyone's getting a degree. So, you know, that line in Incredibles where it's like, if everyone's super, no one will be. So that's kind of like, yeah, we're all getting educated. That's great. But like, what does that mean anymore starts to mean something different, right?

Mikey Mioduski (13:53.312)
Ah-ha!

Molly Geoghegan (14:03.896)
He talks about how like, think multitasking with a myriad of things to do now, multitasking makes it hard to be creative as well. But after the 3Ds, he has a story that I think supports, again, we know from his books and stuff, he's done all the scientific research, right? But it's an amazing talk in that like he's presenting these ideas and mostly just supported by really strong anecdotes. So he has a little anecdote about Jillian Lin, who's a choreographer.

Mikey Mioduski (14:10.288)
Yeah.

Mikey Mioduski (14:21.743)
Yeah.

Mikey Mioduski (14:31.628)
yeah.

Molly Geoghegan (14:33.826)
And she was a dancer. like growing up, she, you know, couldn't sit still and she really struggled with schools. And so eventually she got put into a dance school. And that was like absolutely where she started to thrive and flourish. She, of course, goes on to choreograph some incredible, like iconic stuff. Cats with Andrew Lloyd Webber, think Phantom of the Opera as well. And so she's like, yeah, she, yeah, totally. She's like so highly successful in both these material and art art means.

Mikey Mioduski (14:52.847)
Yeah, she's in the Royal Ballet, founds own company, becomes a multi-millionaire, you know?

Molly Geoghegan (15:03.072)
all because she was able to like allow her creativity to flourish.

Mikey Mioduski (15:07.385)
And it's more like the teeth, like others allowed her to do that too, because he says somebody else might have put her on medicine. Someone else said, you know what, she would thrive by moving her body. Like she needs a dance education. And that supports the point of on also like intelligence is diverse, the first D, like we think visually, we think in sounds, some people think kinesthetically in abstract terms, in movement. And then it's also intelligence is dynamic. And so it, yeah, like,

Molly Geoghegan (15:10.174)
Yes, giving that moment. Yeah, totally.

Molly Geoghegan (15:18.432)
Yeah, totally, totally. this,

Molly Geoghegan (15:27.438)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Molly Geoghegan (15:34.796)
dynamic movement. It can change from person to person too, I think is what dynamic means.

Mikey Mioduski (15:37.239)
It's 100%, yeah. And so this distinct, it's also distinct. And that is where, maybe that's the beauty of what we do, is like, I'm glad that we can be distinctively focused on presentation design. We don't have to be generalists, and in fact, society's better when people can find what they're meant to do.

Molly Geoghegan (15:42.862)
Hmm.

Molly Geoghegan (15:49.486)
PowerPoint.

Molly Geoghegan (15:58.242)
Yeah, their expertise. Yeah, exactly. And so I love this. And I love the language he uses around this education because it speaks to like, mimics nature. He says ecology, I believe our only hope for the future is to adapt a new ecology of education and encouraging this creativity for people because it's like the environment that they're in, the nature versus nurture thing. Like we can nurture these environments. And he said, we have to rethink the fundamental principles in which we're educating our kids, our children.

so that we can see children for the hope that they are. And that's, lands on that kind of, this is a common, we see this a lot at the end of a talk where it's like, we're doing this for the future. Like we may not see the future, but our children will. He says that explicitly. Sometimes it's just inferred in our talk, but this is a pretty explicit, like we're building the bedrock for society in the future, right? That's the big, big idea, right? That he closes with.

Mikey Mioduski (16:49.755)
What's the big finish? want to read his, oh, what a beautiful Ted talk, by the way.

Molly Geoghegan (16:53.342)
Yeah, yeah. I think his last line is, yes, see children for the hope that they are. Yeah.

Mikey Mioduski (16:58.799)
Yeah, yeah, our task is to educate their whole being so they can face this future, in the future of, let's see, seeing our creative capacities for the richness they are and seeing our children for the hope that they are. Our task is to educate their whole being so they can face this future. By the way, we may not see this future, but they will, and our job is to help them make something of it. Thank you very much. So 19 minutes, 11 seconds. We like to, Molly, talk about...

Molly Geoghegan (17:03.35)
Mm-hmm. There. Yeah.

Molly Geoghegan (17:11.886)
Thank you Transcript 3000.

Molly Geoghegan (17:22.151)
yeah.

Mikey Mioduski (17:27.085)
stories, screen and stage. These are the three legs of a holistically awesome presentation. But you picked up, this was more like an oration, it was a lecture. He did not have any slides and that's totally fine, you know, in this case.

Molly Geoghegan (17:41.528)
Mm-hmm.

Right. And not having slides is a screen choice of its own, right? So when we say story, screen and stage, we're referring to like, yeah, like doesn't have to necessarily be the slide itself, but is it like, sometimes people have props or like gimmicks or something, right? And this like truly there's no screen visual support for him. And so I would argue that his like, his screen, his lack of screen was...

Mikey Mioduski (17:58.544)
Right.

Molly Geoghegan (18:10.638)
was skillful in of itself. Definitely someone that has talked before. It's a hard thing to pull off, for sure.

Mikey Mioduski (18:15.535)
Yeah. Well, and Molly, his stage presence was, and storytelling levels were so strong. He, I, I want, I want to declare and maybe draw up a, a line of correlation or causation. Molly, he had in a 19 minutes, 40 instances in the transcript of parentheses laughter. So he got the audience laughing 40 times in

Molly Geoghegan (18:21.27)
made up for it. Yeah.

Molly Geoghegan (18:38.286)
Laughter. Yeah.

That's a pretty incredible 19 minutes. Yeah. That's a laugh. what? For 30, 30 seconds, basically. Yeah. Like people, and these were like pretty, yeah. Right. Right. Yeah.

Mikey Mioduski (18:44.667)
19 minutes. Every 30 seconds? A comedian, a stand-up comic would be stoked to get that response. So I think when you are that engaging, yeah, you probably just want people to just pay attention to what you're saying and how you're delivering it.

Molly Geoghegan (19:02.498)
Yeah. And I do think that's such a strong, that's such a smart choice to not even overwhelm because he had such humor packed into each, yeah, each minute basically that it's like, why overwhelm them being like, okay, now I said that now that you're done laughing, like look at this, look at the chart, look at the thing. Like it's not distracting. So I actually do think if you're that person with the stage presence, like don't bother. Feel like just, you don't have to have slides. It's such a testament to not having to have to have slides. But yeah, the story, I mean,

just a plus plus one of the, there's a reason he's the most watched it. I can't believe it took us this long to watch it. He's such a good storyteller in both the minor, the get way of like micro anecdotes to support his, his, his story and telling them very quickly, but not overwhelming. And like the like general story and assertion of the story he's going to tell. It's like, this is what this is my interest. So what I'm going to talk about support, support, support humor, humor, humor.

Mikey Mioduski (19:37.402)
Yeah.

I

Mikey Mioduski (19:49.295)
Right. Oof.

Molly Geoghegan (20:01.526)
And then like builds up to that big moment of like asserting the two huge things wrong with education, the three D's as you said, Mikey, and then like that last big story to really like support it.

Mikey Mioduski (20:12.929)
Yeah, the rises and falls, there's tension, there's desire, intention and obstacle, and the larger, you know, we could kind of like look back at the arcs, ups and downs, but clearly embraced that idea and brought us all along on that journey to a hopeful landing, right? And I think very clear message. think we also like to analyze, you know, in thinking about

Molly Geoghegan (20:18.478)
Mm-hmm.

Molly Geoghegan (20:26.958)
greater.

Mm-hmm.

Molly Geoghegan (20:34.434)
Yeah. Yeah.

Mikey Mioduski (20:42.573)
One of our favorite presentation thinkers, Dr. Carmen Simon, who studies memorability of content and neuroscience of presentations really, talks about the fact that audiences forget, you know, 90%, potentially 99 % of what you say. And so we like to see if there is that sort of red thread. What's the big idea? Are there some key words, Molly, that you think stood out?

Molly Geoghegan (20:55.798)
Yeah, most of what you're gonna say.

Molly Geoghegan (21:05.838)
keywords. Totally. Yeah, I was thinking about the repetition of his of his story here. And I'm thinking that like, I'm thinking creativity is going to be one of the most used words for sure. And then I'm thinking that, well, school, yeah, that might be just obvious schools creativity. And we think of a little here.

kids, maybe kid like, because that's his focus of like, we were doing this for children. And like, it ultimately starts there, like, with the kids to go on hindered or something. Original idea, maybe I, I think if I were to having watched it a couple times now, I have that kind of like, okay, I know, I maybe know his thesis statement. But I think if I were to have just seen that in the audience once and walked away, I would definitely walk away being like, okay, kids, it's

Mikey Mioduski (21:42.907)
Ooh.

Molly Geoghegan (21:57.568)
It's that original creativity that schools can stifle. And I would remember, I just would remember those more broad strokes. So hit me with the highest keywords here. Yeah.

Mikey Mioduski (22:06.767)
Yeah. I yeah, I tallied up in the transcript analyzer 3000, besides 40 laughter. Education 28 was the biggie. Children, child, kid, kids, that combined for 23. So you were totally right. Then creativity, create art, or like nine, teach teacher, just five, school 12. So yeah, it really was.

Molly Geoghegan (22:13.624)
Beautiful.

Molly Geoghegan (22:17.504)
Incredible.

education to schools.

Molly Geoghegan (22:25.964)
Okay, Education and children.

Molly Geoghegan (22:32.118)
Okay, sure.

Mikey Mioduski (22:36.261)
about the youngsters education and creativity would be that holy trinity of where he kind of found that the center of that Venn diagram is, and that's resonant. That's what the title reflects, you know, what the overall story really dug into. So, man, it got me thinking. I think we all know, or could, we were like, we were that kid, we know that kid, we have that child currently who is like fidgety. It just,

Molly Geoghegan (22:44.12)
Mm-hmm.

Molly Geoghegan (23:00.674)
Yeah, totally.

Mikey Mioduski (23:05.347)
incredibly imaginative, my two girls, think of things I wish I could have thought of, you know? And it's like, I hope they keep that. And so I loved this Ted Talk.

Molly Geoghegan (23:10.273)
Yes, yeah.

Molly Geoghegan (23:14.454)
Yeah, definitely. I'm really curious to see how his work and maybe we can dive in. I hit with a couple of his books to our reading list, Mikey, because I'm really curious to see how his work has been implemented or not or I suppose contested to in some ways into schools. Yeah. And into some of those Montessori type learnings and some more spaces where there's like, there is that flexibility, the dynamicness, the diverse allowing for the diversity of learning.

Mikey Mioduski (23:29.785)
Right, I'm sure.

Right.

Mikey Mioduski (23:41.328)
Yeah.

Molly Geoghegan (23:43.286)
I think that's something that comes up on Ted Talks and in this conversation, and these conversations quite a lot on the podcast is like how to keep that creativity alive because we work with people that are like, I'm opening PowerPoint, but I'm not creative at all. my God, I hate this. And so there's that feeling of like, I've never got to foster this and eat whether or not you were meant to be like, yeah, Picasso or whatever. It doesn't matter. It's a, it's a, it's a piece of like, has the education failed you in the way that like you are.

you are capable of telling a good creative story and putting like, you know, some fun ideas, some little doodles to paper to make it happen. And so I think that kind of defeat is one of the reasons this industry exists. Like Ghost Ranch is able to address those, the gap there, the lack. I don't know. It gets you thinking, yeah. And speaking of thinking, mean, Sir Ken Robinson no longer with us, RIP.

Mikey Mioduski (24:19.067)
Yeah.

Mikey Mioduski (24:31.386)
Yeah, yeah. Gosh, it gets you thinking, for sure. Right.

Mikey Mioduski (24:41.564)
core went out.

Molly Geoghegan (24:41.688)
But if he were today, what would be some music we'd turn on for him? I'll go ahead and link in the Spice Cabinet, his website with all of his books. He has a bunch of courses and workshops that I'm sure people adapt and buy and integrate into their own work. But what do you think?

Mikey Mioduski (24:48.058)
haha

Mikey Mioduski (24:58.364)
All right, yeah. Well, I feel like, Baba O'Reilly is one of the most hype track walk, it's like a popular, at least for Boomer, like, you know, the who, teenage wasteland, is that, you know, it's like a teenage wasteland, let's avoid that. Yeah, and it's, it's just like, the walkout is hype.

Molly Geoghegan (25:06.804)
for sure.

Molly Geoghegan (25:13.75)
Yeah, yeah. I was kind of thinking something. Yeah, yeah. Avoid the brain drain. Yeah.

Yes, I could so see that. I'm just jumping on that train. I'm jumping on that train. I think that's perfect for him. And he seems really funny. And so I think he would like ham that up. Yeah. He seems like such a goofy guy. Yeah. Yeah. He's like just dancing. He's like, well, see you guys later. Yeah, exactly. And I think embracing that. Yeah. Like the child, like he says, you know, we're all, we're all, we all can dance. We have a body, right? Like we can move around. Well, we get like real cringe. As soon as you get that cringe.

Mikey Mioduski (25:24.625)
BIG.

Mikey Mioduski (25:28.208)
is British. Yeah.

Yeah, I think he would. He'd probably like play the whole song and then start. hey. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mikey Mioduski (25:48.241)
Yeah.

Molly Geoghegan (25:51.982)
teenage thing that drops into your head, that's when it all starts. So it's perfect.

Mikey Mioduski (25:53.745)
Yeah. Molly, have you seen Roald Dahl's Matilda the musical movie? okay, okay. Yeah, my girl's dance troupe, the competitive ones, they did this musical theater performance to the last song in that movie. It's called Revolting Children. It is the jam. Yeah, yo, I could see that. So some kind of like British school yard vibe or like.

Molly Geoghegan (26:00.468)
No, but I've seen the preview and it was enough to be like, my God, cute. I love it.

Molly Geoghegan (26:14.36)
yeah, we are revolting children. Yeah, I've seen that.

Yeah, yeah. Okay, so fun.

Mikey Mioduski (26:23.228)
Pink Floyd, know, leave those kids alone. Yeah, there's so there's he had some choices.

Molly Geoghegan (26:26.74)
Yeah, yeah, exactly. In a similar vein, different country, we're the kids of America. you're the kids of America. Who sings that? I don't know, but it might've been a one hit wonder. Yes, fun. This is also adding to, I'd love, if he was still around, I'd love him to maybe soundtrack or pay into a coming of age film or something, right? I could see him really thriving in that arc.

Mikey Mioduski (26:35.514)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Mikey Mioduski (26:49.521)
I know.

Mikey Mioduski (26:53.464)
yeah. I like it. All right. Well, this has been fun, Molly. Well,

Molly Geoghegan (26:57.198)
Yeah.

The first Ted Talk-In of 2026. Thanks for joining.

Mikey Mioduski (27:01.508)
I know, we've done Amy Cuddy's, Sir Ken. think we've dived into Brene. I think, and Simon Sinek, I think we've done the top four now. Let's keep going.

Molly Geoghegan (27:07.383)
my God. I'll have to count.

Molly Geoghegan (27:14.03)
Mm hmm. Yeah. And if you're interested in these Ghost Ranch PPT on YouTube, we have a playlist of our Ted Talkin episodes that we've covered. And the playlist is the actual Ted Talks themselves. And we link our corresponding episode. But if you're interested and enjoy scrolling through Ted Talks and just learning from them, so are we. So find us there. A Ted today keeps the bad, bad presentations away.

Mikey Mioduski (27:36.379)
Ted a day keeps the squirmy's away. All right. Well, Molly, and if, you know, if someone's listening in there, like, gosh, I got this story, maybe could use some help there. I could really use help with the screen stuff. You know what? That's what Ghost Ranch.com, Ghost Ranch Communications is a creative agency specialized in presentation design and storytelling. lot of B2B folk marketers, they love working.

with the fine people at Ghost Ranch Communications, so give him a shout. And Molly, I know, we're kicking off. I have some exciting things to go do. Might include a puppy, and we're gonna go. So, more to come on that. I gotta, all right. So, gotta go. Until we talk again, y'all. Thanks for listening, and keep on pitching.

Molly Geoghegan (28:10.284)
Absolutely.

Molly Geoghegan (28:18.958)
Oh shit. Oh my God. We should have just video send. Oh yeah. Wow. Okay. This will be a YouTube episode. Gotta go.

Molly Geoghegan (28:31.256)
Keep on pitching.